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Board OKs resolution to look into borrowing money for property, construction project



WAS JULY 12 AGENDA TOO VAGUE OR ON POINT? Geneva — Item No. 12 of the July 12 Town Board agenda: "Resolution for authorization to borrow funds." Apparently, that item pertained to two resolutions — one to authorize the investigation of borrowing no more than $2 million for the proposed Town Hall solution, one to authorize borrowing no more than $500,000 for a proposed fire/EMS substation. On Monday, Town Chairman Dan Lauderdale said he placed the item on the agenda this way because, at first, both items were going to be addressed in one resolution. Later, he decided there should be two separate resolutions. But what about the fact that neither issue is mentioned on the agenda? Lauderdale said he believed it covered what the board was going to discuss. He said previously, he has been open about both issues. As for the Town Hall dilemma, he said one reason he created the Ad Hoc Committee was to keep the issue in the public eye. "I try to limit the size of my agendas and at the same time try to be as descriptive as possible," Lauderdale said. He said there were other items on the July 12 agenda which were just as terse, such as item No. 7: "CAN/AM presentation," which concerns an upcoming hockey event being planned in the town. "Certainly, I'm not trying to hide anything," Lauderdale said. "I'm just brave enough to address these issues." He said people can call the Town Hall offices and ask questions about the agendas, which are posted 10 days prior to a meeting. However, when asked if he could have included the phrases "fire station" and "Town Hall" at the end of item No. 12, Lauderdale nodded. "I'll concede that it could have been added," he said.
July 28, 2010 | 08:53 AM
Geneva — Late Monday morning, a woman walked into the rear of a white building with dirty siding.

A few steps down, she strolled through a narrow corridor in a basement, past a window behind which the town's clerk of courts has a desk, in a room about the size of a walk-in closet in the master bedroom of some moderately-priced apartment.

This woman walked past the deputy clerk's desk and into the largest room in the basement.

It is a room with a low ceiling, packed with filing cabinets, office equipment and desks for several town officials, including the clerk-treasurer, administrator and chairman.

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This is where some key decisions take place in town government.

This is the Geneva Town Hall.

But town officials are looking into some sort of new Geneva Town Hall structure.

On July 12, on a 3-2 vote, the Town Board approved a resolution to investigate borrowing funds to possibly buy property and build a new structure.

Supervisors Steve Kukla and Larry Kulik voted against the resolution.

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Town Chairman Dan Lauderdale and Supervisors Bob Kamps and Keith Millard voted in favor of it.

According to the resolution, the amount which may be borrowed wouldn't exceed $2 million.

Although the town hasn't yet borrowed the money, Lauderdale said it's a step toward showing town residents its commitment to solving problems with the Town Hall dilemma, which grows increasingly more severe.

"Our furnace malfunctioned in the last one to two months," Lauderdale said. "Elkhorn Fire Department was summoned to the scene when the building filled up with smoke."

He said the town had to replace the furnace.

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However, he said it was fortunate the Town Hall was occupied at the time of the incident, because "the loss of records would have been disastrous."

The problems aren't just inside the current Town Hall.

"Over the last winter, our handicapped-accessible, concrete ramp dilapidated very badly due to ice and weather conditions," Lauderdale said. "It has been Band-Aided."

Such are the signs which, last year, led Lauderdale to initiate the establishment of an Ad Hoc Committee to advise the Town Board on a solution to the dilemma.

Town Building Inspector Audrey Boss, who also is a member of the committee, said it recently suggested the board keep the existing Town Hall in use and build a smaller municipal building on a different piece of property.

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She said committee members took the current economy as well as the different municipal departments into consideration.

"It was the most feasible solution to keep the cost down," Boss said.

She said members didn't believe the resale value of the Town Hall is that high.

Although the committee also suggested separating the headquarters of municipal departments, Boss said members believed the committee shouldn't decide which department would stay where.

She said it's the Town Board's decision.

"We didn't want to commit to one department or another," Boss said.

The woman who visited Town Hall Monday wanted to know if she could operate a vegetable stand near Hawk's View Golf Course on Highway 50.

Lauderdale, Administrator Margaret Downing and Boss were among the officials in the office.

But the woman's request required someone to access the Internet — a simple chore in most offices, but one which took Lauderdale and Boss several minutes to answer.

One reason? The computer's Internet access is slow.

And three people in this main office creates an invasion of personal space, especially when it comes to maneuvering through the filing cabinets.

That speaks to why Lauderdale created the resolution.

"My resolution is to send a message to the Ad Hoc Committee of the town's desire to move forward with its plan," he said. "The resolution is the first step in a very long process (but) now the Ad Hoc has a vision to the intent of money the town is willing to spend while it investigates site opportunities. …

"This is something that has been needed for quite some time."

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    ARGHHH!!!!
    July 28, 2010 | 02:09 PM

    Audrey Boss does NOT live in Geneva Township....she "works" there as a contractor. I frankly don't give a rip what her "opinion" is. The Town of Geneva has no debt. I'd like it to stay that way. I'm not alone in this.
    Property values are still falling, not as fast as 2008, but still going down. Wages are going up....so, how do you pay for this fabulous new town hall....

    Enuf
    LG
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    you must be kidding
    July 28, 2010 | 07:32 PM

    "Geneva — Late Monday morning, a woman walked into the rear of a white building with dirty siding."
    They can't even mantain the siding...why the heck should they get a new building!
    Get rid of the un-needed and over-paid Downing, save some taxpayers money and free up space in the basement!

    papa smurf
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    Dear Papasmurf
    July 29, 2010 | 11:45 AM

    I think I luv you! You are dead on. Its not just the cost of the hall, somebody has to maintain it. So, we give Downing "back," hire a maintainance crew who maybe cleans the existing building and doesn't need the office....see, we fixed it.

    Enuf
    LG
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    Just What do the
    July 29, 2010 | 12:05 PM

    people of this Township want? The Township has outgrown the building. There is no room to accommodate all the people who want to attend meetings, voters on election days, the police department needs more space. It is time to either build new or expand and renovate the old. Costs are just going to keep going up.
    Just look at how much more it cost to wait some 30 years to put sewer and water in back in 2000 instead of doing it in the 60's. Look at how much more it costs today to do a good cleanout of the lake as compared to the cost back then. WHY! Because no one wants to pay for it. Until it is absolutely needed then there is no choice. Costs for everything continues to go up and will continue to go up.
    Why can't people come together and find otherways to help fund some of these things instead of sitting back and criticizing? That is all I ever read in these blogs is WE DON'T NEED THIS, WE DON'T NEED THAT!!! GET RID OF THIS ONE, GET RID OF THAT ONE!!! Nothing constructive ever. First thing is let us find out what it will cost each Township property owner to fund this building and go from there. Also we don't need a fancy building with pillars and marble just a building that will last well into the future.

    Concerned Resident
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    I Think
    July 29, 2010 | 12:17 PM

    They should just move in the sanitary district building. My water bill just goes up and my water problems just get worse. More rust in my pipes than I've ever had. Shouldn't we be treating that water instead of whatever is getting done? Anyhow, I think that building is plenty big enough to move the township offices over.

    Rusty
    Como
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    RE: Just what
    July 29, 2010 | 12:26 PM

    In addition to my comment. There is a lot of poor planning in this township. We only look at the immediate future say 1-5 years out. We are looking at buying the old Como Salvage yard. WHY! To make a park. What type of revenue would it bring in? Many people would like to see become a park. But, how much will it cost to maintain it? Everyone keeps saying we need to cut the budget. So, how would this park be maintained? Money I feel would be wasted on that could be used for renovating this building or building a new one.

    Concerned Resident
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    Interesting...
    July 29, 2010 | 02:53 PM

    At no time did I give MY opinion. If you read the story, I only gave the information that was recommended by the Ad Hoc Committee to the Town Board.

    That said, at least I'm not afraid to use my real name. If you have something to say you should be willing to back it up with your name otherwise, as far as I am concerned, you're comments are meaningless.


    Audrey Boss
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    these people are
    July 29, 2010 | 03:21 PM

    looking ahead for the needs of the community as a whole, not for a few who have closed minds and make accusations without facts. I give them credit for this research, no matter what happens, a few had the vision to look at options. I say build it, allow extra space, think of the future, add space for fire equipment, allow our equipment to be in a bldg. not farmers sheds all over the place, and do it now why interest rates are low, and contractors are in need of work. put all of it under one roof, like lyons.

    thanked
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    Dear Ms. Boss,
    July 29, 2010 | 03:49 PM

    My post did not defame you in any manner. I stated that you are not a town resident, but a contract employee of the town I pay taxes in. So, how about I get to get on a committee that votes to impact your tax rate for 10 to 20 years without any real impact to me other than a new office for myself? Sound fair to you? My issue is that perhaps a different committee member, say one who actually lives in the town, may have been a better choice to disseminate the committee's recommendations. Regardless, we can't afford the building ma'am. This may be the lowest interest rates of decades, but how will it get paid back when bankrupcties and foreclosures are in the double digit range? Lets not forget unemployment in the very close to double digit area.

    I've quoted from an article dealing with town hall renovations vs. new construction. The basics are that the cost to fix up the property in this article would be approximately $418 per square foot, while building new is $190 per sq ft. Engineering and design will eat up around $160,000. That leaves $1,840,000. Are we getting new furniture? Of course we are??? It won't be pretty right? Oh and lets not forget the filing system, new computers and whatever else the part time and contract people who report there will need...Lets say for fun that its $25,000 cuz you are all so worried about over spending....you gotta buy the land right? So, maybe like $200,000...if you are very lucky. That leaves a construction budget of approximately $1,6 million and at the $190 per sq ft for municipal buildings that's 8,500 square feet of space - total! So, figure office space is maybe the clerk, her deputy, administrator ( a position I don't believe we ever needed in the first place - but as long as we are dreaming we might as well include it), the town chairman, town judge, his clerk(s).lets give the highway guy maybe two spaces, so maybe 10 offices...2,500 sq ft for filing, storage, bathrooms etc. and you are left with 6,500 sq ft averaging 650 square feet....those are some pretty big offices....

    "Equating the cost of building a brand new Town hall to the cost of using the former church property, the cost to build a new building is approximately $2.47 million ..."

    http://brleader.com/?p=1678

    Add up the cost for maintaining to to please. You'll increase ALL utilities, maintain it - such as routine maintenance, building & machinery parts, parking lots maintenance...its alot more that you are asking for than the building...especially since we are not abandoning the old site. And my last point I swear - you are taking taxable property off the tax roll to build it...so I get to help absorb that too.

    As for meaningless, providing you my name does not change the details I provided nor the fact that this is poorly thought out- there is enough detail and meaning here as there is in the town board making this arbitrary decision without consulting the people they want to pay for it. If they didn't ask my opinion via referendum, I sure don't feel obligated to provide to a contract laborer who is also taking my money.


    Enuf (don't care for it to bad)
    LG
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    Enuf
    July 29, 2010 | 10:40 PM

    Very well said, good job. MRS BOSS GOOD LUCK IN THE FUTURE.

    Spedos Side Kick
    LKG
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    MRS Boss
    July 31, 2010 | 07:11 AM

    Why does Fred not keep you on a chain, I thought there were rules for unchained dogs I'll have to check on this maybe we can just shoot them when they bark to loud.Remember try not to eat to much old tree stump you might get a little shorter than you already are along with much wider also.

    Spedos Side Kick
    LKG
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    Guess Who is
    July 31, 2010 | 11:12 AM

    back on this site? Looks like our sick, sarcastic blogger is going under another name. Just read his comments to concerned resident and mrs.boss. Sure sounds like him.

    No Name
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    No Name
    August 03, 2010 | 08:14 PM

    Think again dum a$$

    Spedos Side Kick
    LKG
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    That funny
    August 04, 2010 | 10:00 AM

    He calls me, "dum a$$" when he can't even spell the word DUMB!

    No Name
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