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Bay district rejects request to boost school tax cap



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September 15, 2010 | 08:58 AM
Williams Bay — Voters turned back a request by the School Board to increase the school district's revenue cap over the next three years.

The referendum asked voters to approve spending cap increases by $498,000 for the 2010-11 school year, $498,000 for 2011-12 and $890,000 for 2012-13 and thereafter.

Complete unofficial returns showed the Williams Bay district electors refused with 698 voting no, and 411 voting yes.

"That's terrific," said Lois Morava, a former School Board member and a member of the "kNOw School Referendum Committee," which was the organized opposition to a citizens' committee that campaigned for the cap increase.

Morava said the committee was not against the referendum because of the proposed tax increase. Rather, the group believed that the school board can do a better job of planning and cost-cutting than has been done in the past.

Morava said there were other citizens who were also posting fliers and signs in opposition to the referendum.

She said the School Board should use the coming year to review ways to cut costs while maintaining the educational excellence in Williams Bay schools. Now is the time for the school district to develop a "plan B," she said. She also suggested the School Board might negotiate a pay freeze with the teachers.

"I think this is going to be a wakeup call to the School Board," Morava said. "It's not going to be everything as usual."

Superintendent Fred Vorlop agreed with that last assessment. Although the results were still not final by 10 p.m., Vorlop agreed that the die had been cast. No tax increase was on the way to prevent future budget cuts.

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When asked why he thought the referendum failed, Vorlop blamed the recessionary climate.

"These are difficult economic times to ask for a tax increase. We understand that," Vorlop said.

The district is facing a projected $585,000 deficit at the end of this school year. The School Board will have to find a way to bring costs into balance, Vorlop said.

During one of the public hearings to discuss the proposed cap increases, Vorlop suggested that, if the referendum were to fail, the School Board might identify at least $200,000 in cuts that would not impact educational programs.

A superintendent's salary would fit within that $200,000, and Vorlop said he would consider stepping down as superintendent to get to that $200,000 figure.

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"Certainly the School Board will want to minimize the loss of educational opportunities," Vorlop said. But, he added, that will be difficult.

During recent public meetings on the referendum proposal, Vorlop argued that without an increase in the state-imposed cap, programs and teachers will have to be cut.

The district's current budget reserve was created in 2003, when school district voters approved raising the district's revenue cap by $398,000.

The plan in 2003 was to build a reserve that would last until 2007 and then determine what to do next. However, an unanticipated increase in enrollments allowed the district to conserve its reserves three years longer than expected.

An unexpected increase in student enrollments, which brought in additional revenue, allowed the district to carry its reserve through this year. About $1.17 million remained in the reserve at the start of this school year.

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But if budget projections hold, by the end of the 2015 school year, the district's deficit will hit $1 million, and as many as 12 of the district's 50 teachers would have to be let go, Vorlop had warned.

Vorlop said he doesn't expect the School Board to begin addressing the future budget constraints until October. He said decisions on actual cuts probably won't be made until after January.

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    Thank You
    September 15, 2010 | 12:16 PM

    Dear Ms. Morava and everyone else who voted No,
    Thank you so much for sending a "message" to the Williams Bay School board at the expense of my children's education. Now they will be able to enjoy over crowded classrooms, over-worked teachers, and a lack of extra-curricular activities and opportunities. It will be just like being back in Chicago. Wow, you have really showed them! I do hope you are proud of yourselves for saving a few tax dollars. Who cares if the future of this country is being denied an adequate education? As an educator who has worked in districts with the same issues I know what will be happening next and it will not be pretty. Williams Bay provides students a stellar education that cannot be matched anywhere else in the area. Now that education is compromised. Our teachers are the best in the state, but many will be forced to move elsewhere. The level of education that our children deserve will no longer be met and it is the children who will suffer from your ignorance. It is a shame that our country allows those who have no clue what really happens in a school to make the decisions for those who truly have our children's best interests at heart.

    A WB parent
    Williams Bay
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    A WB parent, please aside from a tax increase
    September 15, 2010 | 12:51 PM

    and further taking away real dollars from families who in this economy could use the money, please cite specific solutions you have to cut costs and or gain efficiency. Please provide factual data that increasing class sizes from 10 to perhaps 15-18 will effect our childrens performance, please show us how having teachers take cuts like the rest of us will hamper the education of our children. The voters have spoken, loud in fact nearly three to one. Now the schoold board must stand up to the unions, and provide the best education to our children we can, at a cost that is more efficient. Hmm just like the real world... I say let the meetings begin, if the school board can't get the job done, we'll get somebody in there that can. Too bad they will probably try this again on a date that is obscure so they can try and get it through, were watching.

    Bout time, cut baby cut
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    Hey Bout Time
    September 15, 2010 | 01:07 PM

    You must have been educated at Lake Land school in Elkhorn. If the vote was 698 to 411 how do you figure that is 3 to 1? It is not even 2 to 1.

    Duh, I can count to potato,,
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    Bring in a Manager from private industry to take a look
    September 15, 2010 | 01:42 PM

    at that budget, someone who if does not perform gets fired, not tenure. How about a manager of a private or charter school. Then lets revisit the issue and look at their recommendations.

    just a thought
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    Stick to the Issues
    September 15, 2010 | 03:26 PM

    It is inexcuseable to make a comment that includes a slur toward students who attend Lakeland School. Those children are some of the greatest assets our community has. It is now time to rationally address what can be done to resolve the budget issues. I suggest that if that effort would have taken place before a referendum was proposed the results may have been different.

    Concerned Parent
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    RE: WB Parent
    September 15, 2010 | 03:43 PM

    I am getting really tired of the never ending need for more of my hard earned money being stripped from me for and I use this loosely " BETTER EDUCATION OF OUR CHILDREN ". I never had any kids and I feel I shouldn't have to keep paying mre and more and more every year for education. Where does it stop with the never ending pocket picking in the name of BETTER EDUCATION?
    When I went to school there were at least 40 to 50 kids in a classroom and it was split grades 3rd and 4th grade, 5th and 6th grade, 7th and 8th, plus the same teacher had to teach each grade and we all came out of it OK!. Now we hear that class sizes should be reduced for a better education. Maybe it is high time the teachers start using and applying their trade like the teachers did when I went to school. Teaching instead of babysitting.
    Another thing I feel any parent out there should pay more in taxes for education of their kids and those without kids should pay bare minimum. I don't mind paying a small amount toward education, but I don't feel I should be taxed the same as those with kids. It seem parents with kids get off easy. Plus here is an idea to save even more money. Why not eliminate the conventional school and go strickly internet schooling. The kids are out of school more these days than they are in. There would be no more need for school buildings, less teachers, etc and all schooling costs would be paid for by each family who has kids in school.


    Local Citizen
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    You're right concerned parent
    September 15, 2010 | 03:57 PM

    Wal Mart needs cart pushers. I also see Lake Land types working at clean up help at Mc D's etc. They are valuable assets to the world. Concerned Parent can you also point out how they are " the greatest assets our community has"?

    Me am smart, IMe kan ty my shoos.
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    Education is Obviously Important
    September 15, 2010 | 04:23 PM

    Why do you feel that it is appropriate to make light of a child who has a physical or mental handicap? These wonderful children have more insight and compassion than you can ever hope to have in life. That is why they are an asset to this and all communities.

    Concerned Parent
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    Concerned Parent
    September 15, 2010 | 04:31 PM

    I know we are all supposed to love each other and be PC at all times but tell me what contributions to the world are these kids able to provide? They are retarded, again not PC but a few short years ago retarded was what they were. Now they are " Special". Just what do they contribute to any community other then there special needs for life? Also I never said anything about physically disabled people.

    Me Special
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    I am glad the tax increase
    September 15, 2010 | 05:15 PM

    failed, but watch out for them to take yet another vote on a day that less are likely to get to the polls, happens all the time.

    tea
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    Wow!
    September 15, 2010 | 06:11 PM

    Lots of angry little people in this world who will use any platform to air their frustrations at the world! Bravo to the Williams Bay School District for an outstanding job of educating Williams Bay children since 1906. So many have gone on to do so many amazing things & credit their start at Williams Bay schools for helping with their successes. Williams Bay Schools will come out on top despite the little angry ones temporary "victory". Enjoy it while it lasts!

    Da Bay
    Williams Bay
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    Re: Local Citizen
    September 15, 2010 | 08:44 PM

    Evidently when you went to school there were 40 to 50 children in each classroom which is probably why you spell "strictly" incorrectly. It's strictly... not strickly. Maybe if you had "strickly" been internet schooled you would know how to spellcheck.

    Clearly these are tough economic times and families all over the country are struggling. Everyone gets that. So maybe this isn't the time for the district to ask for additional funds to continue the status quo at WBHS... however, don't get on here and complain about spending money on education. Let the school close and see what happens to your property value... then you will truly have an issue on your hands besides an additional ~$100/year.


    WBHS Alum
    Lake Geneva
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    What a relief
    September 15, 2010 | 08:49 PM

    What a relief to see the voters say NO to this school tax hike. School districts need to learn to work within their budgets. The WB district should be flush with cash considering the number of homes that pay taxes yet do not utilize the schools. Hate to see what would happen if areas like Cedar Point Park generated more students than they do.

    Cedar Point Park Taxpayer
    Williams Bay
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    RE: WBDS Alum
    September 15, 2010 | 09:25 PM

    My property value has dropped in this economy so don't hand me that BS. Just how much money will it take to educate a student? It never is enough so we should just accept that and just keep throwing money at it. We WBHS Alum I don't have kids and never did. So I don't feel it is my responsiblity to pay to educate your kids and anyone else's. If you want to have kids then you should pay to educate them or don't have any. Also, I did mispell "strictly" but look at the spelling of all those great students today you are so proud of and think I should pay more and more and more for so they can text message and butcher the language and grammar. I DON'T THINK SO!!!!!!

    Local Citizen
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    RE: RE: WBHS Alum
    September 15, 2010 | 09:30 PM

    Excuse me for the typo on your name of WBDS when it should have been WBHS also on the sentence "We WBHS Alum I don't have kids and never did." It should have started with the word "Well" and not "We". I hope you can accept my error.

    Local Citizen
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    RE: Local Citizen
    September 16, 2010 | 06:57 AM

    If you didn't want to pay taxes maybe you shouldn't have invested in property. Certainly they had property taxes when you purchased so this isn't something that should be shocking to you. I don't live in the Bay and I send my kids to private school so you don't have to worry about funding my kids education. But I wish you did because that would make this all the more entertaining. Now get to work... there are taxes to be paid!

    The way I see it... you hate kids, hate schools, hate taxes, hate teachers, hate students and hate text messaging. Dude, how can you hate text messaging?

    WBHS Alum
    Lake Geneva
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    Thank You
    September 16, 2010 | 07:08 AM

    Thank you Ms. Morava and all of the NO voters for using common sense and having the conviction to let the board know you do not fix the problems by throwing other peoples money at the problems.It is time the school board and Dr. Vorlop formulates a plan to cut costs for future savings.Dr. Vorlop is quoted as saying we will need to make cuts in 2011 why not make the needed cuts now instead of waiting until 2011 if increased class sizes result from the needed cuts so be it.
    Many of us went to schools with class sizes of 35 or more students and somehow we were able to be successful in our lives , maybe it was an act of God or maybe it was parents who made us perform to the best of our abilities.

    DB
    WB
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    Tax Increass
    September 16, 2010 | 07:25 AM

    75% of the proposed tax would go ONLY to payroll. I don't care who thinks this is incorrect, but it ain't. How about increasing class size? A 20% increase should help and not hurt performance. I am expected to step it up at my job every year! Why not for our union friends?

    NUT BUSTA
    delavan twnshp.
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    Make em pay towards their insurance,
    September 16, 2010 | 08:45 AM

    make em work till their 62
    make em buy their own blue pills
    make em fund part of their retirement
    make em accountable
    take away tenure
    can the administrator, find someone from outside with management skills
    cut the administrative support staff by 30%
    hire temporary workers when needed
    privatize all that you can
    turn down the heat 3 degrees in each bldg. all winter

    we won't need a tax increase, and class sizes can stay the same, hell we'll even have a tax cut!

    The ideas above are just like the rest of us deal with.
    I'll keep some more of my own money and stimulate the economy the way I want to.


    l xo px
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    Funding of Schools State problem
    September 16, 2010 | 08:51 AM

    The state school funding policy is flawed. The entire community should be taxed for the community schools and the money spent in that community. Not the current head count system used by the state. Williams Bay and Fontana have great real-estate value and it is not supporting their individual schools adiquetaly. Thats the problem. Its the WI School funding system... Hard to fix the State problem in the short term.

    The fix in the short term: Williams Bay should be welcome to Join Fontana K-8. That teaming of schools would make complete sense just for those two schools alone. The true complete fix would be to implode the Bigfoot Union school district up and place all under one new roof BFHS high school, Williams Bay Middle school 6-8 and combined Fontana Grade school 4K - 5 and Reek/Linn, Walworth and Sharon. My greatest challenge as a parent is to educate my kids. Our teachers are great but we need to give them better tools and a better structure to work in... The time is now!

    Family with three young kids
    Walworth Township
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    Ignorance and Apathy
    September 16, 2010 | 10:01 AM

    I'm really enjoying reading these posts when I know for a FACT that most of you did not attend any of the referendum meetings or forums. It was always the same 20-30 people each meeting. If you attended the meetings and then made your vote then kudos to you. If not, then you were not informed. We ALL want lower taxes in our community but we do have a responsibility to our schools and our children. Williams Bay has a 97% graduation rate over the last 5 years and now we are risking that success rate. You will not find ANY educators that say increased class size leads to success. Consolidation will only increase our taxes as we will absorb hundreds of students as well as staff, busing students, etc. Our property values are directly linked to the success of our schools. I would like our Cedar Point friends to remember that. We have all lost value in our homes but an excellent school district will lessen the decrease as opposed to a poor or mediocre district. To "local citizen" -you really think having classes of 40-50 kids in one class is not babysitting? Please engage your brain first before making such statements.

    Steve B
    Williams Bay
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    RE: WBHS
    September 16, 2010 | 11:14 AM

    You say that I hate kids,schools,students and teachers. WRONG! I don't hate them but I am tired of being fleeced year after year for more money for education. Someone else stated why not live within a budget like the rest of us are expected to in our daily lives. I am being forced out of my home that I worked hard for to get because of out of control taxes. What do you think leads the way in my taxes? SCHOOLS!!!!. I have to lose what I worked for because I have to pay to educate someone elses kids, pay teachers and maintain schools of which I have never had any kids to put through myself. That is what I hate. I lose what I worked for because schooling districts can't live within budgets. Its just spend, spend, spend because they feel there is a never ending piggy bank out there to dip into at any time. It has to stop or you will break the tax payers. Yes I hate Text messaging. I believe it is ruining the interaction of people with each other, it is distracting and helping to lower the kids ability to spell properly. Not to mention it is just plain rude.

    Local Citizen
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    Steve B. we do have a fundamental
    September 16, 2010 | 11:58 AM

    responsibility to educate children, we also have a responsibility to do it in an efficient manner. We also must keep our level of taxation low enough so people can continue in the economical climate, and still have some disposable income to support local businesses, which create jobs so we can pay our taxes. Please tell me how much will be enough per student, we are at $14,000 now, what number will it take? We cannot any longer sustain these tax increases, we have to spend less, and that's what the voters clearly said.

    bayer
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    Let's get educated
    September 16, 2010 | 12:12 PM

    While many of your comments are making valid points, very few fail to see the whole picture. Let's not stand on point without educating ourselves on the other side's argument. Raising taxes in this economy certainly is not popular with anyone and shame on the district for not providing more communication as to how they came up with the increase they did. Is it the bare minimum needed to continue the education they provide today? Is it the bare minimum needed to meet an acceptable education standard? What alternatives did they look at? What other options are there? In the process of answering these questions, they need to put some data behind the answers.
    To understand the parent's concerns please educate yourselves with the studies that have been done that directly relate class size to student achievement. If you don't know where to look, Google 'class size research". The argument can be made that class sizes of 30-40 were acceptable and at one time it was, but times have changed. What we learned in 2nd and 3rd grade is being taught in kindergarten today. The education we graduated with then may be sufficient for a 9th or 10th grader today. Times have changed and the school system needs to continue to prepare the students for the workforce.
    So much has been commented on the teacher's salaries, but look at how they compare to others in the area. Williams Bay teacher salaries are no different than others across the state. That is not the issue. While it is a simple solution to cut their salaries like the "rest of us", you are comparing apples to oranges. The "rest of us" work for companies who have one goal in mind, to make money. The school district is there to educate and prepare the students to join the "rest of us" in the workforce. It is not about making money. You will get out what you put in.
    Let's look at what the tax increase or lack of one, will get us. The median home value on WB was $255,653 in 2008. Rounding up the proposed increase to $100 per $100,000 would mean an increase in taxes of $255.65 per year. As I stated before, nobody wants a tax increase, but let's view it as an investment. Over the course of 10 years, that equals $2556.50. Who doesn't think that home values would fall more than $2556.50 over the course of 10 years if we don't maintain an education level similar to what we have today. Schools are a large deciding factor when someone moves and if they aren't sufficient, the community will not attract buyers. When you don't have buyers, the values drop. For those who do not have children in the district, view your tax dollars as an investment in your property. For those of us with children in the district, we will view our tax dollars as an investment in the future of our children.
    As pointed out by Family with three young kids, this isn't a Williams Bay issue as much as it is a state funding issue. We are far from the only district in the state struggling to provide a quality education with the funds allowed by the state. School reform is needed to help control taxes. Unfortunately school taxes are the only tax voter's get some kind of say in and unfortunately it is usually at the expense of the children of this country.

    Mike, WB parent
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    RE: Mike
    September 16, 2010 | 02:54 PM

    Commentor Bayer said it right. HOW MUCH WILL IT TAKE TO EDUCATE A STUDENT? This merry go round has to stop sometime. Every year it is the same thing. We need more money to educate our kids. I need more money too. Does anyone out there care about that? Property values are dropping and it has nothing to do with education. Properties don't sell becasue Mom and Dad can't get a decent paying job around here to be able to stay here and those looking to buy don't because of the lack of good jobs to justify moving here. Education is secondary because no jobs mean they can't live here and raise a family.
    Also, when I go for a loan and told NO the bank doesn't want to throw good money after bad because I am a risk. The same can be said for the school districts wanting more tax money. I SAY NO!!!! Why should I throw more good money after bad. Its like throwing money down a bottomless pit. Let the school district administrators figure out another way to get funding. They make enough let them use their college education to come up new ideas for funding. I as many others are taxed out.

    Local Citizen
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    mike, wb
    September 16, 2010 | 03:18 PM

    mr vorlop said if things don't change by 2015 they may have to lay off 12 out of 50 teachers. that's 25 percent, if those twelve were gone after this school year, what would the average class size be, if we eliminate 25 percent of our teachers, maybe we could also eliminate some additional support staff and administration as well? does anybody really think our kids will stop learning? it's time for our school board and administration to be accountable, the answer is not always to simply throw more money at it. you talk about private businesses needing to make money, yes, but their people are also accountable... would you argue that the education children get at private or charter schools for half the costs or less are inferior? sure they don't have multi-million dollar athletic fields, or million dollar entrances, or unions to deal with, they simply teach our children. I think that's what parents whom pay taxes expect, education. lets look at another bureaucracy, the postal service, losing billions every year, instead of cutting spending and increasing efficiency, they just keep living in denial and being stubborn, unions crying left and right, while the private sector is eating their lunch. do you think if ups or fed ex ran it that they would be so bureaucratic?
    our public bureaucratic schools are the same way, unions crying poor, overworked, underpaid, blah, blah, blah. so mike as has been asked before, how much more money do you and the union need this time, and how much is enough?

    joe taxpayer
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    Anger and ignorance= disaster
    September 16, 2010 | 05:56 PM

    A lot of angry people out there-and a lot of misinformation. Put that all in motion and you get some of the rediculous comments like the ones I have seen on here. Calling for the closing of one of the best schools in Southeast Wisconsin and suggesting that supporting public schools is a waste of money, I mean WHAT? Not suporting public schools because I do not have children in the schools, is the same thing as saying I don't want to pay for roads that I do not drive on or having streets plowed when there is a snowstorm just because I do not use them. Silly isn't it? A good educational system supports property values and benefits society as a whole just as a good infrastructure supports commerce and a healthy economy.
    The best way to deal with this issue is for both sides to roll up their sleaves and see how a compromise can be worked out so the school can contintue to do the excellent job it has been doing and the public is satisfied that the cost is fair.Yelling and making rediculous accusations and calling for the emasculation of a public school most communities can only envy, is a waste of time.

    Be realistic
    Elkhorn
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    we are realistic..
    September 16, 2010 | 06:29 PM

    so if I have this right, the union rhetoric's argument is that if we increase class sizes 25 percent to what from 10 kids to 13 per class, or 13 kids to 17 or whatever, cut some administrative fat etc. our kids will suffer? come on, you gotta have some talking points better than that, don't you?? tell you what, we are just scraping by, and the 250+ per year means something to us, so why don't you reach deep in your pockets and take care of our share as well since you don't think they can make the cuts to avoid needing another 250 from me each year. I am sure they accept donations!

    joe
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    From the WBHS homepage.
    September 16, 2010 | 08:08 PM

    "Williams Bay High School student Allison ****** has been named Semi-Finalist in the 2011 National Merit Scholarship Corporation (NMSC) Competition.

    More than 1.5 million juniors across the nation entered the 2011 National Merit Program by taking the 2009 Preliminary SAT/National Merit Scholarship Qualifying Test (PSAT/NMSQT). Only 50,000 students with the highest PSAT/NMSQT® scores qualify for recognition in the National Merit® Scholarship Program.

    This Fall, about 16,000 students, or approximately one-third of the high scorers, are notified that they have qualified as Semifinalists. Semifinalists are designated on a state representational basis. They are the highest scoring entrants in each state. To be considered for a National Merit® Scholarship, Semifinalists must advance to Finalist standing in the competition by meeting high academic standards and all other requirements."

    Couple this along with numerous Kohl Scholarship winners, National Honor Society members, West Point graduates, Students attending UVA, MIT, UW-Madison, Marquette, and other top schools across the nation, and I would say the WB school system has done a damn fine job running efficiently throughout the years. Unfortunately that quality will be cut down. It's unfortunate that very few people attended the informational meetings, and yet became passionate at the polls. I understand times are tough, but I think I can cut the projected $15 a month out of my budget (cutting back cable, cell phone, hostess snack cakes would be some suggestions). I know for some families it may not be that simple, but that's how I was planning to adjust.

    I would like to add that whoever put the "Fire Vorlop" signs up need to know a few things. First, posting signs on telephone poles is illegal. Second, placing those signs on school property is not only illegal, but in poor taste, how would you like someone putting signs to fire you in your lawn. Grow up.

    frustrated yaysayer.
    Williams Bay
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    You should have added
    September 16, 2010 | 10:46 PM

    "thank gosh those mean people whom pay taxes did'nt add three more kids to her class, or she never could have done this".

    How about teaching our kids a few other important lessons here:

    1. Live within your means
    2. Live within your means
    3. Live within your means
    4. Budgeting
    5. Planning
    6. Restraint

    There, and I did'nt even need a union card for that and they got it at no charge, but I did'nt give them free breakfast or lunch. You don't have to fund my retirement when I turn 55, give me tenure, five months off, or buy my viagra either I guess.

    If you want me to give up my hostess snack cakes, what are they going to give up? How about the last increase that was only a few hostess snack cakes then too right?
    In a few years the next increase will be only another few hostess snack cakes right?
    Here is a free economics lesson for you:

    Pretty soon, I will not have the money to buy any more hostess snack cakes. Then the guy that makes the snack cakes will get his hours cut, the person who makes the wrapper will get their hours cut, the driver that takes them to the store will get his hours cut, the clerk that sold them will get his hours cut, and the company that makes them will hire fewer workers etc. etc. etc. Catching on yet?

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