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Paul Ryan answers a question Tuesday at City Hall.
April 27, 2011 | 09:08 AM
In previous years, U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan admits only a handful of people would join him at his annual listening session stops throughout his district.

"Last time I was in Lake Geneva, I think there were 18 people here," Ryan said seconds after entering the room.

But, that wasn't the case on Tuesday. Ryan appeared in the standing room only filled senior center in Lake Geneva's City Hall. There were about 200 local residents and several television cameras with all eyes focused squarely on Ryan. Based on the standing ovation from those in the crowd when he entered the room, he was mostly among supporters.

"My son loves you and I love you," a woman said from the back instead of asking a question about midway through the listening session.

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Prior to the questions, Ryan, who has garnered national attention for his budget proposal, spoke about his plan. He spent about 15 minutes discussing using a PowerPoint the debt crisis he sees looming for America.

Ryan said his budget proposal cuts $6.2 trillion in government spending compared to the president's budget, eliminates hundreds of duplicative programs, bans earmarks, curbs corporate welfare and brings some nonsecurity discretionary spending to below 2008 levels.

He talked about Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid as the drivers of the country's future debt problems. Ryan said Medicare is the biggest of them all and will be insolvent by 2020 if nothing is done.

He said longer life spans and more retirees are causing some of these problems as the workforce diminishes.

Ryan also discussed the amount of debt America has and who holds the debt. In 1990, 19 percent of the country's debt was held by foreign countries. Now, that number is 47 percent. He said that fact undermines America's sovereignty. He also said it is a level of debt that is unsustainable.

"The fact is we are giving our children a lower standard of living," he said. "We are giving them a stagnant society. We have to get ahead of this. Time is of the essence."

He said tough choices must be made now so children and grandchildren don't have to make tougher choices.

In general terms, Ryan talked about the need to turn the economy around, strengthening the social safety net, balancing the budget and paying off debt.

"A lot of people say raise taxes on certain people," Ryan said. "But spending is the problem. If we try to tax our way out of this we will ruin the economy."

After his presentation, Ryan answered questions for about 40 minutes.

The first came from a woman who questioned Ryan's figures and where he obtained them. She also said he was one of the biggest recipients of corporate contributions and questioned what he planned to do about taxes for those types of companies. She also said Medicare paperwork is very difficult to understand already and Ryan's plan would make it harder.

Ryan explained that he used Congressional Budget Office numbers and the Heritage Foundation, which is considered a conservative thinktank, then looked at the proposal to see if the numbers would work.

Ryan also said his tax proposals lower all rates, but remove the deductions that some people and companies receive. He also addressed her Medicare concern.

"People have the right to make decisions," Ryan said. "I don't like the government making these decisions for people. Millions of people are already making these decisions. Monopolies don't work — whether they are industry or government — they are not good for the consumer."

There also were questions he answered regarding the wars overseas, how to bring more manufacturing jobs to the country, simplifying and improving the tax code, and whether he had changed his mind regarding running for president.

One businessman questioned why he pays taxes and companies like GE don't. He said GE filed a 29,000-page tax return and ended up paying no income taxes.

Ryan said the top 1 percent and the largest corporations all are able to shelter more of their income through tax deductions. He wants to change that by reducing rates for everyone, but eliminating the loopholes and many deductions. He said filing taxes should be simple and fair.

"People who make more should pay more," he said.

Ryan also said a problem with the economy is the fact that America doesn't make things anymore. He said 95 percent of the consumers are not in America.

"We have to be attracting business globally," he said. "We have to make things, but our tax system doesn't (attract businesses here)."

Ryan also was quick to respond to one question regarding a possible run for president. For a long time, Ryan has said he is not interested in running for president and has cited his young family as one reason.

"My mind has not changed," he said.

But, Ryan received the most applause for his answer that suggested America needs to depend less on foreign oil.

"We are helping Brazil drill off their coast, but we aren't drilling off ours," he said.

It wasn't all support for Ryan, who has served in Congress for more than 10 years. One man questioned Ryan's previous votes for the auto bailout, Medicare Part D, transportation spending and the Bush tax cuts. He asked how Ryan could vote for those items if he was so concerned about the deficit and debt.

Ryan said there are circumstances to votes and sometimes a congressman must choose the best option even though neither are what he or she wants. He said that is what happened regarding the auto bailout and Medicare Part D.

"Sometimes you have to make choices you don't always like," Ryan said.

He said the prescription drug plan was going to occur either way and he voted for the bill he believed was better even though it wasn't exactly what he wanted. He said the bill created health savings accounts and other benefits.

The transportation vote was to help Wisconsin recover its gas taxes and Ryan did not answer the Bush tax cuts question.

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    THANK YOU!
    April 27, 2011 | 10:36 AM

    I have been looking all over local news outlets (SE WI) for a paper that tells the story as it was told (without a pessimistic, fact missing and slanted viewpoint) and the Lake Geneva paper has finally done. GREAT reporting! Now those of you that can't encourage your readers to have the personal responsibilty to educate yourself just a little, you have now just lost a subscriber.

    Steve Sturycz
    Kenosha
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    Telling People What They Want to Hear
    April 27, 2011 | 11:15 AM

    Not much new information in this story. Since the audience was so friendly, did they keep anyone out? I find it a bit unusual that a politician can propose that we get rid of Medicare and get a standing ovation? But then, Lake Geneva people are nice and respectful.

    Rep. Ryan does point out that the Heritage Foundation generated most of his numbers. However, it is not just a conservative organization, it is way off the charts and for the most part is what is driving our latest flavor of very right wing conservative thought. If Ryan or others would even suggest we raise taxes on the rich, the Heritage papers would stop coming out and the money would dry up.

    People like to hear that their representative is for lowering the debt and is against corporate tax loopholes and jobs going overseas. What they do not understand is that most of our debt came as a direct result of lowering taxes on the high end brackets in the 80's, 2000's, and even this last Dec. The loopholes are not just deductions. Tens of thousands of US corp entities use PO boxes in the Cayman Islands. Why. Because they can. Lowering corporate taxes is a good idea but the whole company better be on US soil. The rates for personal taxes should top off around 45% in order to maintain those programs like Medicare and Medicaid that are helping people. Ryan's plan is to hand over Medicaid to the states. If his argument wins, Gov. Walker gets to make the Medicare decisions.

    Dave
    Williams Bay
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    Video of Paul Ryan
    April 27, 2011 | 01:42 PM

    The Regional News took video of Paul Ryan. I hope you enjoy.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhX0pzUrfFY

    Robert Ireland
    Lake Geneva
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    Just say no
    April 28, 2011 | 02:48 PM

    No more big goverment.

    Enough
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    Why can't people understand....
    April 28, 2011 | 03:03 PM

    "What they do not understand is that most of our debt came as a direct result of lowering taxes on the high end brackets in the 80's, 2000's, and even this last Dec. "

    Absolutely Wrong. What you don't get is that THE MONEY DOESN'T BELONG TO GOVERNMENT. These taxes you speak of isn't a case of people and business taking money from government that isn't deserved, IT'S THEIR MONEY. Government takes, it doesn't own, so lowering taxes doesn't result in people getting something for nothing, it's people keeping what's already theirs. That's the fundamental difference between those on the left and the rest of us.

    Enough Already
    Lake Geneva
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    No, I got it right Mr Enough
    April 28, 2011 | 06:11 PM

    When the very rich are the only citizens that have a crack at investing in a Wall Street product that returns 30% of your investment, something is wrong. The rest of us are getting less than 2%. The games Wall Street played since the early 2000's have resulted in an increasing debt (because of the recession) that needs to be paid for. Now who is in position to pay these debts? Those that had no savings and may of even lost their jobs or those who raked in millions and paid a measly 15% long term capital gains tax?

    Dave
    WB
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    Left or Right?
    April 28, 2011 | 08:25 PM

    Our society is no longer concerned with creating wealth. For the last 30+ years the focus has been on transfering wealth. Our Government is guilty of this, Wall Street is guilty of this and Corporate executives with little or no equity in their companies are guilty of this. All the money made in the housing/mortgage debacle was made by those (realtors, mortgage brokers, appraisers, banks, investment banks, ratings agencies, etc.)facilitating the transaction, transfering a percentage to themselves in the process. What did they create? Nothing!

    If the earners retained more of their work product, we could lower labor costs, retain the SAME standard of living and be more competitive globally.

    Profit based on creation is GOOD and moral! Profit based on wealth transfers is BAD and immoral!

    The issue is not whether you are left or right, but is our country going to be full of moral people. You can only transfer the money around for so long without creating anything.

    WE NEED GOVERNMENT LEADERS WHO SPEAK THE TRUTH! WE NEED TO CREATE TO SURVIVE!

    Our government cannot transfer what it doesn't have without running up debt. Either we grow the economy to fund Medicare & SS or we grow the debt. Growing the debt is a pyramid scheme waiting to collapse. Unless we can compete globally in the future our economy will continue to shrink.

    To survive we need to eliminate those who siphon from the work product of earners.

    Not going to live long enough to see the collaps
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    RE: Not going to live long enough
    April 28, 2011 | 10:28 PM

    Sounds like a ponzi scheme.

    Local Resident Which One?
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    Questions from his friends
    April 29, 2011 | 06:02 AM

    During Q&A, at least half the people Mr. Ryan called on with questions, he knew by their first name. Of course, they lobbed him a bunch of softballs. No one challenged him. The average age was somewhere in the mid 60's, so most of the folks in attendance will have their Medicare. Too bad for all of you under the age of 55, 'cause you won't.

    Bill E
    Bloomfield
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    How about this...
    April 29, 2011 | 09:29 AM

    First, it takes alot of nerve to tell others how they should invest THEIR money and how much they're allowed to make on THEIR money.

    How about we actually try and examine where the money's being spent before we simply take the coward's way out and "just raise taxes". Look at social security. It was originally meant to be a supplement to retirement, it was never designed to be a person's sole means of living. People are also living longer, meaning more money's being taken out that what was expected. Being a member of the 40 something crowd, I say do whatever it takes to fix it. I'd rather have less of something that all of nothing.

    How about Medicare? Besides the extended life spans, I doubt the people who drafted the legislation imagined the money would be used to pay for "The Scooter" or any of these other "needs" people have. Maybe we could take a look at who's doing the spending and what they're spending it on.

    Then we have our welfare system. Another local paper ran a couple stories just in the last week about fraud in the system. Let's face it, WE ALL KNOW people who are milking the system and freeloading off the taxpayer. Maybe it never crossed some people's mind to look into fraud, abuse, and the rules of the "game", but it's crossed mine.

    Bottom line is before certain people demagogue about the evil rich and how they need to "pay their fair share", there's plenty of fraud and abuse to be investigated, and plenty of reforms that can be enacted before government is allowed to put their hands in our wallets again.

    Enough Already
    Lake Geneva
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    Enough already right on
    April 29, 2011 | 02:38 PM

    I couldn't agree with you more about everything. People expect to be fully taken care of by the government, relying on an entity that is not reliable. I think that's stupid and setting yourself up for disaster. Hello Bill, Medicare won't be here for those of us in our 30s and 40s if it keeps on the same path, so how much worse can Paul Ryan make it.
    At least he has some ideas and is proposing them. Others just continue to stick their heads in the ground and act like nothins wrong. If we don't figure something out and change this cradle to grave mentality we are all doomed.

    A still proud but worried American
    Lake Geneva
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    I'm not 55 and where's my money?
    April 30, 2011 | 08:30 PM

    I pay on average 7000. a year in Social security and Medicare taxes, and have been for almost thirty years...and your telling me I can support the baby boomers, the largest group to retire, with full benefits but I will see nothing but a lousy voucher to HELP pay for the rising costs of Health care? That's robbery. That's taking money from middle class middle ages and transferring it to CEOs and corporate health care companies! Any people that would support such a plan are nieve and to think we have enough to pay for full benefits for the largest group of retirees but not enough to support anyone else. It sounds like change it now and change it again later, after they declare they CAN'T pay and nobody gets the trust funds but the politicians.

    younger than 55 years old
    LG
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    dave in the bay wake up
    May 01, 2011 | 05:53 AM

    Dave, if you think only the wealthy own the corporations, then you must not have a 401 of any form. You probably shouldn't even have a savings account either. IF you do, you are complicit in wanting the evil corporations profit schemes. Or you really suck as an investor if you get less than 2%. My suggestion to you is have your money in a bag. I will pick it up from you, no charge!, anywhere in LG. The hitchhike your way up to Mad City and attach yourself to the welfare teat. Dave, its simple, any business needs to make a profit to survive and pay the employees. If the company is big enough, they pay their investors(STOCKHOLDERS!!!) as well. Government does a great job of using all of our cash for some great things (roads, cops, army, help for the needy) but generally though, the liberal mentality is to spend without responsibility. Look at the education system! All of you teachers take note. The kids are just dumb. Great products of a failed GOVERNMENT system that can only suppose that MORE SPENDING is the cure. Dave, why don't you step it up? Adopt and home school 6-7 kids? Offer to pay more taxes? Can't here ya Dave, speak up. I am not going to do this because I am defining my life, not the govt. As for you Dave, get in line, those kids will get your fries for you.

    Duck
    LG
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    Stop and Think
    May 02, 2011 | 02:50 PM

    "....and your telling me I can support the baby boomers, the largest group to retire, with full benefits but I will see nothing but a lousy voucher to HELP pay for the rising costs of Health care?"

    So what's the alternative? If we don't make hard choices and take steps to change things NOW, there will be nothing. A voucher that helps deter costs is better than a guarantee made on an empty (or should I say bankrupt) account. And for God's sake, would EVERYONE stop blaming the rich and corporations for every bad thing that happens in the economy.....

    Enough Already
    Lake Geneva
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    Enough already
    May 02, 2011 | 07:42 PM

    Okay, so it's fine for me to pay for Social security and Medicare and receive nothing in return, but Corporations and Big Pharma get a pass at taxes and caps?

    All you talk about is the taxes, services, education and welfare you shouldn't have to pay for, now tell me why I should pay for your health insurance with my income, and receive no benefit? Besides keeping you happy.

    If there were caps on health care costs, or if medicine was a single payer system, we would have all share the cuts, costs and benefits. You only want what benefits yourself with no shared responsibility. Socialized medicine would have covered all and capped costs. Socialism is not Authoritarian, that would be declaring martial law on small towns and removing ELECTED OFFICIALS, for a politically appointed person.

    This is about sharing the benefits of America, and if you live here OR do business here, then CORPORATION or PERSON, you pay taxes for the quality of life.

    2/3 of Wisconsin CORPORATIONS pay NO TAXES. This is not a third world country and this is because we pay taxes for services like fire protection, police, education, and other essential services, that are taken for granted because they have always been here, without them we are no better than a developing country. Those benefits are shared by all and need to be payed for by all, corporation or person.

    Younger than 55
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    You still don't get it....
    May 03, 2011 | 07:18 AM

    We have 2 choices. The status quo or make changes. If we continue on the status quo, you WILL GET NOTHING. We NEED to reform the system in order to ensure that there's something left for those of us under 55 as your put it.

    It never ceases to amaze me that people like you always demonize the "wealthy", corporations, and any "big industry" for (once again) not "paying their fair share". Besides never being able to define "wealthy", or "fair share", I never hear the area of all the freeloaders, leaches, and system mooches addressed. They use "essential services" for "quality of life", but where's THEIR share of the responsibility or commitment? Seems to me those in that group seem to think that they have the "right" to GIMME GIMME GIMME and have everyone else PAY for it because they're 'entitled" to it.

    You speak about socialized medicine. Here's a hint, it won't work here. Everyone talks about Canada. They have about 34 million people in the entire country. California alone has almost 37 million. You can't simply drop a one size fits all system onto 300 million people because what you get is the post office or the DMV of medicine. There's only 2 ways to control costs if you expect 100% cradle to grave coverage, force caps on what's charged or limit coverage and services. Good luck getting high quality people to go into medicine if they have no chance of making money. Personally, I like being able to go to a doctor of my choice and not have to wait 8 weeks to get an appointment.

    Oh, BTW, care to share the proof you have to make the statement that 2/3 of Wisconsin corporations pay no taxes or was that a useful propaganda line from someone's manifesto?

    Enough Already
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