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OWNERS OF THE condo-tels at The Timber Ridge Lodge will receive refunds after a judge determined they were overpaying on their taxes. The change had an impact on Lyons taxpayers.

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January 15, 2013 | 01:28 PM
LYONS TOWNSHIP — This much is known.

Town of Lyons residents living within the Lake Geneva school districts saw their tax rates increase by nearly 17 percent this year. What was learned at the Lyons Town Board meeting on Monday is that the increase was unpredicted, unprecedented and certainly unwelcomed. The 70 or so seats in the board meeting room were taken up mostly by irate homeowners and 30 or more spectators stood along the walls.

The rate increase has been laid at the door of a late summer ruling in Walworth County Circuit court that lowered assessments of the 225 condominium hotel rooms at The Timber Ridge Lodge (see story page 2A). Timber Ridge is within the Lake Geneva Elementary and Badger High School districts. It was also laid at the door of a bad economy that caused the values of the condominium rooms to drop at Timber Ridge. According to the Walworth County Treasurer's Office, town residents living within the two Lake Geneva school districts saw their tax rates increase from $15.39 per $1,000 of equalized assessed valuation in 2012 to $18.01 per $1,000 this year, an increase of about 17 percent.

The rate for town purposes increased from 72 cents per $1,000 of assessed valuation to 79 cents.

Town residents living within the Burlington School District saw a 4-percent increase in their property tax rates, according to Town Clerk Karla Hill. That part of the town was not affected by The Timber Ridge Lodge decision.

Homeowners at the meeting indicated that the unexpected increase pushed their property tax bills anywhere from $600, to $800 to $1,000 more than last year's taxes.

The Timber Ridge court decision saw the town responsible for repaying the condo owners $450,000 in overpaid taxes for the 2011 and 2012 tax years. But, according to Town Clerk Karla Hill, that's not the problem. The town's share of that bill is about $17,000. And although the town had to pay the money up front, the town will be reimbursed by the other taxing districts, including the two school districts.

What's the problem?

The decision also lowered the total assessed valuation of town properties within the two school districts by $27 million. But even that isn't really the problem, Hill said.

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The decision was handed down Aug. 15 and wasn't filed with the clerk of courts until Sept. 15, and that is the problem, according to a state Department of Revenue official who was at the meeting.

Claude Lois (pronounced "Loys"), administrator of the DOR's division of state and local finance, said the judge's decision came the same day the state collects its data to equalize assessments within school districts.

By law, Wisconsin applies tax rates to 100 percent of a property's assessed market value. But because school districts often cross municipal boundaries, and property assessments often vary from municipality to municipality, the DOR "equalizes" the assessments from municipality to municipality so school district tax rates can be applied equally to all property owners.

In this case, however, the property values were equalized without the knowledge that a portion of the town lost $27 million in property value, Lois said. Lois indicated that disconnect between equalized assessed valuation and the property tax rate approved by the school districts probably caused the radical increase in tax rates for Lyons property owners within the two Lake Geneva school districts.

In essence, said Lois, the equalization was unequal.

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Accusations and answers

Angry accusations were made against the assessment company, Associated Appraisal Consultants Inc., Appleton, and assessor Paul Mauel for the valuation of the condo-tel units that was rejected by the court.

One resident suggested that the town pull a truck out of its garage and sell it to Milwaukee to make up the increase in the tax rate.

Another resident suggested the town float a bond to pay off the difference in tax rates.

Lois said that suggestion was interesting and he would raise that issue with the DOR to see if it were feasible.

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Several residents called for firing the company and suing its insurance company.

Town board members were also accused of trying to hide the court decision from the public and not warning taxpayers of the court decision's impact.

Attorney Ben Brantmeier, who represented the town in the court case, was also criticized for not appealing the decision.

Mauel, who was at the meeting, said he was a son, a father, and "as of now, a level two property assessor in the state of Wisconsin." Mauel said he did the 2008 assessments of Timber Ridge according to the professional guidelines laid down by the state of Wisconsin.

"You can fire my company and you can hire someone else and you will get the same thing," he said.

Town board members said they had no clue that the equalization would have such a dramatic effect on property taxes, said Town Board Chairwoman Joy Bartelson. The town board discussed sending out a notice about the Timber Ridge court decision, but the board had no idea of the full ramifications of the decision, and it didn't want to release any inaccurate information, she said.

No appeal

Brantmeier said the time has passed to file an appeal. However, he said the court made its decision based on the best information. In fact, the court accepted the town's figures on the values of the condo rooms, Brantmeier said. If it had accepted the condo owners' figures, the town would have lost even more of its valuation.

To appeal the decision, the town would have to present better evidence, and there was no better evidence than what the town presented during the court hearing, he said.

Although several residents said they wanted a tax credit against the unexpected bump in their tax bills, Lois said that isn't how the state handles this kind of situation.

He said the state uses a correction process called a "70.57," after the statute number that authorizes it.

Because the town within the Lake Geneva districts was valued at $27 million over its current valuation, this next year, the town's valuation will drop by $54 million, which should lower taxes due in 2014, Lois said.

Lois said that state does this adjustment every year, but it's rare to have an adjustment this large.

He estimated that taxes on a home with an equalized value of $300,000 will be about $5,668 this year, but drop to $4,800 in 2014, with this year's the adjustment of the town's equalized valuation. While that might spell some relief, there is no guarantee that property owners would be made whole by that process.

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  1. report print email
    Taxes
    January 16, 2013 | 09:10 AM

    I would like to no how come the school taxes went up so much.Gov Walker put in the reforms and most city's school taxes went down.Why did ours go up so much.I live on the border of Lake geneva and I was suprised at the increase.Isnt our school board working to lower the tax burden on us in this bad economy.

    Linn
    Lake geneva
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    MORE TAXES
    January 16, 2013 | 02:24 PM

    Remember Walker put in place a measure along with your Republican elected officials to cap localities and schools from raising your taxes, but SOMEBODY has to pay for the sewer, water, roads, schools etc...

    These all got cuts while corporate taxes got cut, so your property taxes went up, and NOW Walker wants to cut the income tax rates, SO property owners can pay MORE and get less, because localities and schools are capped at rates, so look Forward and see Walker's plan will not work, for Wisconsinites. Watch your taxes go up and values go down.

    Nobody just donates to these services you and everyone else in WI uses, they are provided by taxes, and as corporate taxes get cut further, it puts a bigger burden all the people who live here.

    Chicago Style hot dog
    LG
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    Lower taxes for Same Services?
    January 16, 2013 | 03:04 PM

    I cannot see how we can expect to pay Lower Taxes, when the Cost for Services remain as they are..?

    How can they Not Go UP, not Down?
    -We build Nice Big Schools, Hire Nice Competent Teachers and pay them what they want to keep them and Teach the Kids..

    I can't see Our taxes Ever Going Down, unless you Have the Costs Go Down..

    and You want your Value of your Home to Go Up, don't you? Then isn't that going to raise your Costs/Taxes as well?

    I budget a min of 5% rise in my taxes every yr.. some yrs don't use it, I carry it over for the next yr..

    The lower income Economy has little effect, unless the Costs Go Down with it..

    Retired
    Lake Geneva
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    Taxes
    January 16, 2013 | 06:00 PM

    Wouldn't it be nice if I could give myself a 5% raise every year.There are many ways to cut taxes.What type of insurance do the teachers get at Badger-How much do they put into their pensions,How about bidding out some of the services that are done in the city of lake geneva.I can go on and on but when that gravy train is yours you don't want to take less but the sad thing is the rest of us are.The school board which are mostly teacher appointed didn't want to cut some of the great benefits the teachers get so they passed it on to the tax payers.I would love to no what benefits the teachers in Lake geneva get compared to other schools in the area.Im sure we could fine some areas where we are over paying.If you could clean a park in Lake geneva for half the price than the worker that cleans it now why would you not do that.If it was cleaned just as good.Well You can't stick it to the parks worker who mows the grass but you can stick it to the tax payer and that fine.When will this i deserve a raise every year end.I have not had a raise in five years.I guess I should work for the city but does that make it right.

    Linn
    Lake geneva
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    RE:TAXES
    January 17, 2013 | 01:36 PM

    Why do the teachers, and workers in our town have to bear the burden of you wanting something for nothing?

    OUR teachers in this area are EXCELLENT, so they deserve a good paycheck and benefits TO STAY HERE and teach in this community. OUR STREET DEPARTMENT works night and day to keep this town looking as beautiful as it does. WHY should they take less in pay and benefits? IF they did not do such a great job, our values would decline, therefore our net worth would also decline.

    YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR, from
    having taxes.

    Chicago Style Hot Dog
    LG
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    Broken Record
    January 17, 2013 | 02:20 PM

    Just because you repeat yourself hotdog doesn't make you correct. Attitudes like yours are the EXACT reason we can never cut spending and must constantly raise taxes.

    "Oh, there's all these services and we can't ask anyone to be burdened"

    What a load of crap. You have NO PROBLEM asking the rest of us to be burdened by our taxes going up every year, it's time we stood up and made the tough decisions to look out for the taxpayer for a change. If that means having the public employees pay a little more for benefits than SO BE IT.

    In the REAL WORLD, business is forced to find ways to increase productivity and do more with less EVERY DAY. It's about time we expected the same thing from certain government "services".

    As for "you get what you pay for", you're talking like driving a BMW instead of a Ferrari is some sort of downgrade. It isn't when you figure in that it costs a whole lot less to won the BMW and it's still a great car.

    Enough Already
    Lake Geneva
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    taxes
    January 18, 2013 | 07:08 AM

    The Lake Geneva schools get less and less money to work with every year. (only our gov. could make people want to think that teachers are evil people that are living off the sysetem) My point is stop watching fox news and see where your money is going. Notice big old grand geneva does not have to pay any more taxes,that place is always packed,(try to get a day pass for the water park, it is nex to impossible)

    wake up
    lake geneva
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    Taxes
    January 18, 2013 | 08:56 AM

    At least the state and government employees are in fact WORKING for their paycheck, benefits and insurance. I think instead of blaming schools or state workers for tax increases, look at those who are sucking off of the assistance programs who are reaping the benefits while sitting at home doing nothing.

    DieselPower
    Lake Geneva
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    Re: Enough already
    January 18, 2013 | 08:58 AM

    You must not have ever driven a BMW or a Ferrari, I have an THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE.

    One is the practical consistently useful and the other vanity showmanship.

    Taxes represent a democratic way to pay for useful practical enhancements for all, while tax cuts ultimately save the most money for the larger income brackets, while cutting services and values in the community overall.

    Government employees are paid less than their private counter parts, yet receive benefits to close that gap. It is proven time and time again in many different professions that private companies can NOT be as effective and less costly as government employees.

    NO, I'm NOT a government employee.

    YOUR TAXES, are not high when adjusted for inflation, value and amenities of our area, but it is our duty as tax payers to make sure our interests are well represented in our government.

    As for business working with less, that is very broad, and I will say for any corporation focusing on shareholders fortune over reinvestment into their own company that is their problem, not the workers.

    As for small business they would be making a whole lot more after they lobbied their legislators to quit pushing down workers wages, those are their customers!

    Chicago Style Hot dog
    LG
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    Keep telling yourself that....
    January 19, 2013 | 05:19 PM

    The fact is hotdog, government employees make as much or MORE when you take into consideration things such as level of benefits, amount contributed, retirement age and retirement compensation. You're living in the past thinking otherwise, you just can't figure that out.

    http://www.maciverinstitute.com/2012/11/maciver-institute-study-finds-government-employees-make-19-percent-more-than-private-sector-workers/

    The fact of the matter is while you continue to kiss the behinds of our street department, you ignore the terrible condition of the streets away from downtown. You probably see the pretty bricks at the cross walk but fail to see the potholes on my street. If that's you're idea of a "excellent" you need to find another dictionary.

    Our taxes go up every year. Many of us have had pay freezes, pay decreases, and are being asked to pay more for our benefits. When we the taxpayer ask the public employees to do the same thing, folks like you try and convince people that their precious "services" will be diminished. The truth is that many companies such as mine are finding ways to do less with more and yet we STILL manage to maintain our service level. Working harder and working smarter is the way. The problem is government employee and working harder is an oxymoron.

    As was once said, we don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem. Taking more our of the pockets of people and business just to keep some lout fat and happy is a sure path to failure.

    BTW, I agree with your premise diesel. Unfortunately, when that idea is floated, people like hotdog will demonize you and call you insensitive to the needs of the "poor". And we wonder why our country is almost $16 trillion is debt.

    Enough Already
    Lake Geneva
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    RE: Enough Already
    January 20, 2013 | 08:30 AM

    Enough Already you get your facts from Right Wing think tanks that use partial numbers to get a result that is misleading and not comprehensive of all details.

    You are wrong about public employees, the cleaning, policing, and teaching have been proven MORE expensive in WI, in reference to Milwaukee under our Governor Walker during his time as Milwaukee county executive giving those positions to private institutions that did NOT do as well of a job and in Fact cost millions more than the PUBLIC EMPLOYEES. The same can be said for the private education in charter schools that did not operate at budget and did not provide a BETTER learning environment, but cost more and was open to MORE CORRUPTION of public funds.

    As for you and your job, let me advise you, that corporate profits are at all time highs, workers wages at all time lows...if you have a problem with your benefits being cut and working more and getting less, while padding your boss's pockets, then organize your fellow workers and stand up for yourself, you have a better chance of changing your situation in a group, than by yourself. Yes, that is what UNIONS do! Pushing down other workers because you don't like your working conditions, is not going to help you, in fact you will continue to defeat yourself.

    As for the poor getting their help cut, is wrong! ONLY After oil and corporate subsidies are cut, should we look at cutting assistance from REAL PEOPLE, that are in need.

    Just because there are crooks that game the system with everything you can name, does not mean we end all programs that help more people, than people who are able to game it. How about hiring some public employees to verify and check specifically for fraud.

    Enough Already, if you have a pot hole call the guys and they will come fix it, these public employees are AWESOME here, when I have a question it is answered, fixed or checked out. ALL OF THEM, and they are worth some of my pay check.

    chicago Style hot dog
    LG
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    ONE LAST THING Enough Already
    January 20, 2013 | 08:47 AM

    As for your idea that our debt is out of control, it is the same percentage of GDP as it was in 1952. OUR SPENDING the same, the DEMOCRATS cut programs and inefficiencies to produce this without help form the majority of the Republicans in Congress.

    Can you imagine where our country could be if the Republicans hadn't signed on to a plan to defeat the President at any and all costs.



    Chicago Style hot dog
    LG
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    Stay on the Issue
    January 22, 2013 | 02:06 PM

    If you left /right nuts will quit typing and read for one minute, you will stay focused on the issue. The issue for the tax increase is becasue the township was over valueing Timber Ridge for at least three years and Timber Ridge pushed back. The result is that an accurate assessment of Timber Ridge created a larger burden for the rest of the township to make up for. The timing of it was brutal to the township and shame should be cast on them for not giving a heads up to the tax payers, becasue they did indeed see this cannon ball coming, and coming fast and hard.
    Timber Ridge one bedroom condos topped out at $230,000 in value in 2003 and have dropped steadily in value to current sales prices of about $60,000. Yes, about a 350% drop in value. Timber Ridge was always a cash cow for Lyons and the township road it's coat tails for a decade. Well folks, now it is time to pony up your fair share. The gravy train ran out of gravy for at least a while.

    chuck U Farley
    North Como Flats
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    Incompetent Board
    January 24, 2013 | 02:57 PM

    The problem is the Lyons Town Board didn't give anyone any notice, and doesn't frankly didn't care about the issue. They didn't take the time to learn more about the issue. They covered up and put their relationship with the assessor and attorney ahead of the interest of the people they represent. The taxes will work themselves out. The fact is there is criminal incompetence and neglect by these government officials

    John
    Lyons
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    Tax rates and performance
    February 09, 2013 | 07:59 AM

    Comments above veer off from the issue: much of property tax dollars are for education. School ratings in the Lake Geneva district are not that terrific (compared to the state as a whole) and the state's ratings aren't great either.

    If people want to see where their money is going, they should pay more attention to school budgets, salaries and what performance is resulting from these expenditures.

    Currently Lake Geneva taxpayers, as a whole, are footing the bill for the sub-standard part of the school population, which receives bi-lingual instruction (at taxpayer cost) free lunches and other special programs (at taxpayer cost) and high pay for so called special needs director and staff.

    Even now the LG School Board is moving to take downtown students, by bus, to a low-performance school further away in the district. Why? Because they want to perk up the other school's dreadful ratings (which are the result of the same "give taxpayer money to the so-called underprivilged) What really happens with all this planned "redistribution?" Costs go up and performance of more capable students is dragged further down.

    Since the 1970's when the Federal government got more involved in education - and began to emphasize social integration over basic skills - the U.S. has gone from #1 in world education ratings to it's current rating of #26 worldwide.

    This is not the fault of the teachers directly. It is the result of a shift in the direction and purpose of education. And the taxpayers foot the bill.

    J. Korbell
    Lake Geneva
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    February 10, 2013 | 12:43 PM

    Expect more of these types of activities. We the people who work will continue to pay more and more. While our polititions will continue to force policies to screw us and try to word it as if it is helping us. Thank God I don't live in the mining area.


    Hilmore
    Lake geneva
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    MONEY MONEY MONEY...
    February 16, 2013 | 09:18 AM

    Standing with Walker has cut locality funding for our schools, and local services, now he has cut Badger Care for our people that need it most. With the funds he would have saved through the Affordable Care Act, he could of covered more families in this time of need with 100% funding from the Federal Government for years, then 90% after that term, he would have been able to use that savings to reinvest into the education and infrastructure in our state. Instead, he will sell off 37 power plants and states assets, remember in ACT 10, he gets to choose the bid without public hearings....enjoy the larger energy bills, higher taxes, failing economy, and fewer services.

    Is this bama, cuz I'm not in Wisconsin anymore.

    Call your representatives and ask why common sense is not being used, we could have helped people and our community with those Federal funds, and not compromised our energy and asset sources.

    Chicagostyle HOTDOG
    LG
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